Feb 25 2010

Cesar Milan and The Principle of Parsimony

Posted by Kevin Myers at 4:46 PM
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- Categories: Anti Cesar Milan | Behavior | Calm Assertive Energy | Cesar Millan | The Dog Whisperer | Training

Anytime that we try to explain the behavior of any animal that cannot (or will not in the case of humans) communicate in human language, we are practicing the art of conjecture. For example, the simple act of a dog drinking water might be explained by any (or many) of the following statements:

  • The dog is simply thirsty.
  • The dog has a bad taste in its’ mouth.
  • The dog is nervous and this behavior helps to calm it.
  • The dog bit its’ tongue and the water helps sooth it.
  • The dog is hot.
  • Another dog just drank some water and so this dog has to have some too.
  • There is a fly doing the backstroke in the water bowl and the dog is trying to get the fly.

If I wanted to get really specific I am sure I could come up with at least a dozen others, but I think you get my point. With so many possible explanations available to us, how do we come up with the best one for a dog’s behavior?

If we know things like the circumstances that surround a certain behavior, the history of the dog displaying the behavior, and the health of the dog displaying the behavior, then we are able to take an educated guess and put into practice the principle of parsimony.  In simple terms, parsimony means that all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be correct. In my drinking dog example, if we know that the dog was just in the backyard chasing a rabbit round and round the yard, we could reasonably assume that the dog is drinking water because it’s hot and thirsty.

This brings me to one of my biggest bones of contention with Cesar Milan, The Dog Whisperer.  To me, many of his theories and explanations for dog behavior seem totally out of sync with parsimony. For instance the following tweet was posted via his twitter account the other day:

"Animals sense vibrations of energy, but smell is their next strongest sense. In dogs, both of these senses are deeply connected."

Rabbit in HatWhat does he mean by this? Does he mean that dogs are like sharks and have specialized cells (ampullae of Lorenzini) that allow them to detect electrical signals? Simple anatomy tells us that is not the case. Does he mean that our emotions produce energy waves that are not only detectable by dogs– but are discernable as to whether they are good or bad as they relate to the dog? If this is the case then wouldn’t some simple experiments be able to prove this? Where are these experiments and why aren’t they being undertaken by Mr. Milan & others who believe in his theories? The most parsimonious explanation is that he is flat wrong.

We know that dogs are keen observers of body language because without our formal language skills, they have to communicate visually. And like us, dogs use their sense of hearing as a predictor of intention.  And although we both use smell as a means of communication, we know that a dog can detect smells at levels that are lost on us, but are of vital importance to them.

So when you put all of these things together what is more parsimonious, that dogs have a sixth sense about our emotional energy that is directly detectable as good and bad, or that dogs use their heightened senses of sight, smell, and sound as predictors of our emotional state?

On his show The Dog Whisperer, Cesar will often explain a dog’s behavior as being dominant, that the dog is trying to assert its’ authority over that of its’ owner. Even if I bought into his theory that dogs will become dominant if not dominated (which I don’t), there's still the problem of parsimony.

Many people watch his show and then automatically assume that any behavior that a dog displays that is in contrast to the desire of the owner is an attempt to be dominant. But where is parsimony in this? Let’s try another example. Suppose you have a dog that refuses to go up the stairs, what could be some possible explanations for this?

  • The dog is being dominant.
  • The dog is afraid of the stairs.
  • Something happened on the stairs that scared the dog.
  • Something happened at the top of the stairs that scared the dog.
  • Most of time the dog is taken upstairs he is locked into a room so he is out the way of company.
  • The dog has an underlying medical problem that makes it uncomfortable or painful to go up the stairs.
  • Nothing good ever happens upstairs.
  • Everything good is downstairs.

There are many people who are fans & followers of Cesar that may conclude that the dog is displaying dominance, without first considering any of the other possible (and much more probable) explanations.

I have spoken with many people that firmly believe in Cesar and his methods and incredibly when I ask them why they choose to believe Cesar’s way over more parsimonious explanations, they often answer “common sense”. They see the idea of a dog trying to be dominant over all of its’ environment as being more parsimonious than the idea that the dog is afraid of the stairs.

Sometime later this year Cesar is scheduled to be part of a national symposium on dog training sponsored by The American Humane Association. While the details of his participation have not been publically revealed yet, it is my fervent hope that he will debate his peers in an open forum. I would really like to know why his explanations for dog behavior should be chosen above those that are more in line with parsimony.

As always, we welcome comments from both sides of the issue.

Cheers

Kevin, Jackie, Gavin, Annie, Tosha

Comments

Anne Rogers

Anne Rogers wrote on 02/25/10 5:46 PM

Simply excellent, Kevin - four paws up!

The entire idea that the only way dogs & humans have forged a possible 100,000 year long relationship has been through us bullying, intimidating and dominating them is the least parsiminous notion around.

But our longstanding relationship with these fabulously uninhibited creatures has sufferred greatly because of this notion - we have 'created' an animal that tolerates our application of this contradictory idea. This is however a mere product of this relationship and we have a responsibility to put that right.

I would love if this proposed symposium produced real debate and real learning but I just can't shake the cynic in me. I want to believe, I really do....
Jenny Kendall

Jenny Kendall wrote on 02/25/10 5:50 PM

Great post, Kevin.

If I have any quibbles, it's with the last sentence, where you ask "...why his explanations for dog behavior should be chosen above those that are more in line with parsimony." I don't think Cesar would know or even should know the answer to that, because that's really the question for the people who believe his answers are the answer.

When I'm working with people, I ask them to consider whatever story they are using to explain their dog's behavior. "My dog does this because _______." I ask them to stop before the dreaded 'because'.

Bottom line is that, as in any relationship, we don't know why the other is doing what they are doing - we can make assumptions, or infer, but, really, we never know. We can make good guesses, but we really don't know.

All we can do is respond (or react) to their actions. It can be so helpful to clear out the story, to make way for a new one.

I too look forward to the possibilities this symposium offers. I don't want to see a pile-on (that would probably backfire) but some good measured discussion that allows for true conversation about how we work and play with these dogs we love - I'm all for that.

Thanks,
Jenny
Susan

Susan wrote on 02/25/10 6:25 PM

I'm with you re making that Cesar/American Humane parley an open forum:
http://thealliechronicles.blogspot.com/2010/02/dialogue-maybe-transparency-absolutely.html
Elisabeth Catalano

Elisabeth Catalano wrote on 02/25/10 9:19 PM

Excellent post!! A well-thought out and educated argument, thank you!!!
Angela

Angela wrote on 02/25/10 10:04 PM

I am no expert and have been wrong many times but I have read one of Mr. Milan's books and I have watch dozens of episodes of his show. I'm not sure where the theory of dog's sensing vibrations comes in but I do remember reading, hearing about the hieghtened sense of smell which you also commented on. Humans will give off different smells based on their emotions based on the biological work of our glands and lymph nodes. It makes total sense that a dog would sense fear and take over as dominant...because every pack needs a pack leader.

Also, in your case of being afraid of stairs, I remember one episode inparticular when a large dog refused to go into the work place of the owner because of the shiny tile. I think it was a Great Dane and the issue was that as a spunky puppy he ran and became out of control slamming into the walls. Caesar never mentioned the issue of dominance in the episode. The whole epioide was about rehabilitation of the owner and the dog to move past a traumatic event. In the little I have seen of him, he does a fine job in identifying the issue and doesn't lean towards dominance. I have not watched every single eipsode, but before we added a pup to our family last year, I rented 2 whole seasons of The Dog Whisperer from the library and watched every single show. Have also watched many more recent episodes since then.

So, while I am no expert on training dogs, I do not think you have given Caesar a fair write up here.

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Angela,

The dog and the stairs was meant more as an allegory than an actual episode, otherwise I would have cited chapter and verse. My point is that often Cesar, and those who subscribe to his methods, often label a behavior as an attempt to assert dominance, when other, simpler, explanations exist.

As for the question of “pack leadership”, I don’t agree that a dog sees a lack of direction in a household as a leadership void that needs to be filled. We are two different species of animals that have different rules for behavior.

Thank you for taking the time to comment. We may not agree but I respect your opinion.

Kevin
Kim

Kim wrote on 02/26/10 12:13 AM

There is no doubt that I totally disagree with the methods and ideas Cesar has when it comes to dealing with dogs. At times I have literally become sick when watching one of the very few 'parts' of the episodes I have seen.
However, it almost seems as if this site is obsessed with him to the point of being fanatical.
I think that educating people on the more proper, effective and positive approach to dog training is extremely important. I do not think that it does anyone any good to constantly preach to the choir.
I doubt very seriously if any of Cesar's fans come to this website, and if they happen upon it, by chance, all they see is some really negative talk about a person they don't have any idea why anyone would talk bad about or put down. All this does, is make people cling tighter to him and close their ears to anything that anyone may be wanting to educate these particular people on.
As a trainer myself, with the majority of my experience being with marine mammals, one of the first things I learned was to make every attempt to notice and then reinforce and reward any and everything I wished to see more often, by whatever animal I may have been working with. People have such a hard time noticing when their dogs are doing what they want them to do, outside of a training session for some reason. What about when when everyone is calm, relaxed and maybe chewing on appropriate chew toys? Wow! "Good Job Everyone!" "Treats". A lot of people are enjoying the peace so much, they don't want to interrupt it by telling their dogs that they appreciate how they are behaving.

I also learned that unwanted behavior was to be ignored, completely. Any response, other than the one asked for received absolutely nothing. Not even the slightest change in facial expression.
Of course, the animals I worked with then, were in water, and did not have access to my furniture, electrical cords, and other things that could be expensive for dog owners and harmful to the dog.
So, sometimes we may be able to ignore behaviors we don't want, with our dogs, and sometimes, we just have to settle for some redirection.

But, I cannot see why anyone has to give any reinforcement to Cesar at all. No one is forcing anyone to watch his show, read articles about him, or keep up with what is going on about him.
Why is it that so many of the people who call themselves 'positive' trainers, continue to give energy and reinforcement to unwanted behavior?
Educate, yes, I totally agree. But why does this person's name have to even be brought up at all?
Why is he always used as an example? Why not just leave him out of our conversations all together and focus on what is positive, like we try to get our students to do, (if you are a dog trainer, that is)
Think of all of the topics which could have been covered in a constructive way, without ever even giving mention of someone that is said to be not respected, on one hand, yet seems to be always covered in conversation on this site, on the other.
What purpose does all of this serve?

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Kim,

I can certainly understand why you feel this way. I do have very strong feelings about Mr. Milan and I am not shy about expressing them. Although I would disagree that I am fanatical about them.

This post was prompted by the tweet that I quoted by Cesar and by many of the phrases he seems to use that I feel are not in line with what science tells us.

Because of the media exposure Cesar gets, I feel that discussing his theories are valid and something that needs to be done. There are many people whos only exposure to training come via Cesar and his shows. I do get e-mail and comments on this site from people who are fans of Cesar and who do not agree with me. I can't tell you if I changed the minds of any of them with my Cesar posts. But it is my hope I have given them some food for thought.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Kevin




Madison

Madison wrote on 02/26/10 6:58 AM

Kevin...

Parsimony can give us a flat and reductive view of something as dynamic, rich and complex as animal behavior - which can't be separated from beingness. While Milan's statement..."animals sense vibrations of energy" begs an explanation that he may not be able to adequately provide and might not really understand himself, it is NOT INACCURATE. The electromagnetic field interactions that beings emanate can not only be measured and observed, their instantaneous effect upon the environment (including all other beings, things and the space between things) has been observed and measured. Our constant mental chatter causes us to perceive the world through rational thought and inference. It makes us believe that we can know a thing or being logically. This is not only a myopic and extremely contracted view of the living potential, it makes us literally "deaf" to the energy that ontologically connects us to all living systems. Dogs are unfettered little scalar antennae – and they sense more than we can imagine from our tiny parsimonious belief boxes.
"So when you put all of these things together what is more parsimonious, that dogs have a sixth sense about our emotional energy that is directly detectable as good and bad, or that dogs use their heightened senses of sight, smell, and sound as predictors of our emotional state?"

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Madison,

While I am aware that all living things produce an EMF, and that different EMF can react to on anohter. I am not aware of any research that shows that these fields can be discerned as to intent and state. I would be grateful if you can provide some links that point to such research.

As for you last statement, I guess not all parsimony engines are made alike. :-)

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Kevin
Madison

Madison wrote on 02/26/10 5:29 PM

You may want to explore the research of the HeartMath Institute.
Tina

Tina wrote on 02/27/10 1:25 PM

You are oversimplifying his methods. I'm sure you know that. It is hardly the case that he always attributes everything to dominance. He as directly dealt with the issue of the stairs, and directly stated that the dog was clearly afraid. I think discussion of dominance theory is absolutely fair game, and his propulsion of this theory back into the mainstream, where is certain to be misunderstood and abused, but if you look carefully at his actual skills and methods, regardless of how he describes them, there is a ton of positive reinforcement going on.

Thank you.

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Tina,

I have seen Cesar use 4 out of 5 tenents of operant conditioning; with extinction the only one I have not seen him use (he may have). I am also not saying that he labels everything as dominant. But there are many times he lables behaviors as dominant and I (and many others) don't agree with him. His message seems to say that unless you become dominant over your your dog, you dog will be dominant over you.

My argument with him is that his explanations of behavior are oversimplified and out of touch with modern behavioral science. I also have seen many aggressive dogs rehabilitated with methods that do not include positive punishment or negative reinforcement. Something that I have really not seen much of on his show. His message may be being distorted, by his followers. But he makes it very easy to do so.

Thank you very much for participating.

Kevin

david

david wrote on 02/27/10 11:14 PM

Kevin -
Why do you persist in writing these Cesar-bashing diatribes? You make up some silly charge, like 'Cesar turns everything into a dominance issue', then you rip into the silly argument with both guns blazing, which is pretty easy to do since the charge is, after all, silly. But why spend so much energy making up such stuff? Why rant vociferously about a show you seem proud to have scarcely watched? You use examples like a dog on stairs and make up some nonsensical dominance charge when if you just watched the actual show, you know, like an honest critic would do, you would actually get to See the guy deal with a dog and stairs, and a dog on shiny floors, and dozens and scores of other non-dominance-issue dogs.

It's bizarre to read you argue that the simplest explanation is generally the best one, then respond to Tina's comment above by saying that Cesar oversimplifies things. You speak with forked tongue, amigo.

You begin the response with saying you've never seen Cesar describe extinction, when in fact he's done so countless times, demonstrating nothing more to your readers than you don't feel obliged to actually watch the show you so vehemently condemn. It's as if you were a restaurant critic and just ordered one dish out of a hundred, then dedicated a weekly column to bashing the restaurant, over and over, because you think the cook put too much salt on your broccoli. OK, we get it, you don't like broccoli. But then you rip into how soup shouldn't have too much salt and this restaurant therefore sucks and you haven't even looked at the soup. You seem to want to engage in intelligent discourse, but wrapping silly arguments in fanciful vocabulary doesn't make them the least bit more credible.

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David,

To me what is silly is saying that dogs sense energy vibrations and that this is actually their strongest sense.

I have not watched every episode but I have watched enough to know that Cesar does see dominance in a lot of behaviors that I do not. When I said that Cesar tends to oversimplify, what I meant was that he seems to assert dominant behavior as the root of many problems where other circumstances exist. To me he uses dominance as a scapegoat for behaviors that can be explained by other means that to me (and many others) are more parsimonious.

I see too many people explain their dog's behaviors as being dominant and they cite Cesar as the reason why they think this. It puts both people & dogs in difficult and sometimes dangerous situations.

Kevin


david

david wrote on 02/28/10 4:32 AM

Cesar explains in many episodes (which you conveniently haven't seen, of course) what he means by energy. Dogs are experts at reading human body language, the result of millenia of cohabitation. They sense the Tone of your voice, the Confidence of your movement, the Intention behind your actions. They understand Moving Forward, they understand Retreating, they understand Weakness, they understand Insistence. They understand Calmness, they understand Panic. They understand Dominance, and they understand Submission. These things in their gestalt totality are what Cesar describes as their ability to sense Energy. To quibble about nomenclature is a waste of time. To disagree with the Concept is hard to fathom.

Regarding your not seeing dominance where you say Cesar does see it, get specific. Pick an episode and let's exchange thoughts on that One dog in that One setting. Lots of episodes available on the Nat Geo website, or Hulu. Give a specific example where he says the problem is dominance and you say it's something else, rather than just a blanket statement saying it happens Often. Pick one.

Regarding putting people in dangerous situations, how about the whale trainer who just got killed? I suppose you want to blame Cesar for that too? Blaming Cesar for what viewers do is like blaming my daughter for burning herself in the kitchen because she saw tried to copy her mother cooking. It's like blaming the Olympics for the death of Sonny Bono -- after all, he saw all those expert skiers on TV, and there wasn't even a warning to not try this at home before they aired That. It would be ridiculous to say the Olympics are irresponsible, or that my daughter's mother is irresponsible. Viewing experts in action is not the cause of 'difficult and dangerous' situations. To the contrary, since people are going to ski Anyway and daughters are going to cook Anyway it's a far better world that has in it people who show how they Successfully accomplish these tasks. Better some students manage to learn the lesson than none at all.

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David,

I have received your second comment and will respond in time. Perhaps if you left a valid e-mail you would already know that?

Kevin
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I did try and send a e-mail to the address you used. I understand your reasons re: e-mail. I have a lot on my plate right now but give me a week or so.

Kevin
Angela

Angela wrote on 03/03/10 6:04 PM

This reads like something off a PETA website. UGH.

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